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S5E8: Both/And Thinking: Mindset Matters (with Dionne Galloway)

• Hosted By: Chantée Christian • Season 5 • Episode 8

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Are you stuck in "either/or" thinking? What if the key to better leadership, career growth, and personal fulfillment was embracing both/and instead? In this episode of My Best SHIFT Podcast, host Chantée Christian sits down with Dionne Galloway, Vice President of Both/And Leadership at Andiron, to unpack the power of mindset shifts, self-awareness, and betting on yourself.

Dionne's career journey—from PR to real estate operations to leadership development—proves that success isn't always linear. She shares how a pivotal moment after her daughter's birth reshaped her purpose, leading her to redefine success beyond just a paycheck.

This episode is packed with wisdom on confidence, growth, and leading with authenticity. If you’re ready to shift your mindset and embrace a more expansive way of thinking, you don’t want to miss this one!

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Chantée Christian:

Welcome to the My Best Shift podcast. I'm your host, Chantée Christian. In today's episode, I'll be talking about how our mindsets drive our actions with Dionne. Hi Dionne, how are you?

Dionne Galloway:

you doing today. I am fantastic, Chantée. How are you?

Chantée Christian:

I am doing well. So before we get too far into our conversation, why don't you tell the people a little bit about yourself?

Dionne Galloway:

I would love to. So I am a Cleveland native, transplant to the Washington DC area where I reside, actually now in Maryland for the past. In Maryland for the past. We're going on three years now, but I've been in the area for almost 25 years. So at what point do I let go of Cleveland? I don't know, maybe never but live here with my husband and two children and just love the area, love the energy of it. So that is in part, why I never left.

Dionne Galloway:

What else is important to share? I am the vice president of both and leadership for an organization called Andiron and that is just a fancy way of saying that I work with leaders and organizations and teams to bring more both and energy. So how can we hold and maintain multiple states, multiple perspectives, multiple ideas as true and use that to fuel how we connect and collaborate, lead and learn together? Have been doing that work for maybe about two and a half years now, but have been in the leadership, development and organizational development space for several years. And the last thing I think is important to say that I always find fascinating because life is just a winding journey is that this is actually my third career, so I have started over many times. I have bet on myself many times and I'm happy to say that I have found my calling in service of others and service of organizations and really helping individuals thrive.

Chantée Christian:

So again, happy to be here. Oh, my goodness, like I'm like, how do I not know any of that? I mean, wow, okay. So I have to ask this first being from Cleveland does it make you a Cleveland Browns?

Dionne Galloway:

fan Ah, it does, it does. There's no getting around it. There's no getting around it, do you see?

Chantée Christian:

my hat so you all can't see my hat out there in the world. But I have on a Steelers hat because if you know me, you know that I am a diehard Steelers fan. So as soon as she said she was from Cleveland, like a piece of me, like just clutched up and wanted to just curl up.

Dionne Galloway:

I'm still happy to be here, though I'm still happy to be here.

Chantée Christian:

I am happy for you to be here. First of all, I didn't realize that you were in the area. I also thought that you were in Texas or other than being in the DMV, and so hello neighbor, hello neighbor. And then the other thing that I just found just so amazing because I think a lot of people are in hunt of it is understanding and finding clarity within their purpose. And so you were going through your process of reinventing and discovery. Like what did that look like for you?

Dionne Galloway:

It's funny that you ask that, because I feel like I have this conversation often in many different ways, even when the question is not asked sort of as clearly and beautifully as you just did, but especially like in coaching conversations or when talking to others, I'm always laughing that you can never make sense of your journey, sort of when you're looking forward, there's no way to tell, there's no way to plan, there's no way to know. But when you're able to just kind of pause and look back, it's amazing how many of the things that are revealed. And so I think for me it was just a process of I'll reiterate sort of betting on myself and really taking the time to find my voice and to step into what felt authentic for me. So I started off my career in public relations. I worked for a federal union, did a lot around communication. I then sort of transitioned from that to doing marketing and operations and was working for a real estate team for many years. And I think that was one of the most pivotal moments when I said to myself if I'm going to work every day and this is actually right around the time where I had my daughter if I'm going to go to work every day. It has to be for more than a paycheck. It has to be for more than just what I'm going to get every two weeks. I want to feel fulfilled and I want to feel like I'm actually doing something to improve this world that I'm bringing this little young lady into.

Dionne Galloway:

And so I took a leap at that time to transition from the private sector to the public sector. It had the opportunity still staying in operations to work for community development finance institution and an affordable housing organization, and that again still spurred that desire to serve others and to be purposeful in that again, and I love that work. The program that sort of brought me into that organization was a learning and development program. They really focused on bringing individuals who historically worked in the private sector to the public sector and they provided us training every month and that was an aha for me. I was like, wait, you can provide training to others and support to others and development to others as a career. That wasn't something that I was aware of and that is where I started putting things together and that's where some of the magic of what I had done before started to click and really feel like it was moving me in a direction where maybe exploring organizational development, exploring leadership development made sense for me and I again took that leap and haven't looked back since.

Chantée Christian:

I love that and it reminds me of something that I do with some of my clients, but it's because I did it and it is literally taking a look back at every job that they've ever held, even starting with the very first one, and pulling out just what did they love about it? Going back to just thinking like, what about it did you like Before? You hated it, before you wanted to leave, before you didn't like your boss or whatever the thing was before they didn't promote you, what did you like about it? What drew you to the work? And when you do that and you look over the time, you realize there's some common themes here and while it may not be as clear as a purpose statement, it gets you really close to understanding that there's much more of a connection, regardless of where you are in your career and how you've shifted, than you actually are most of the time aware of.

Chantée Christian:

I laugh because I always say I had a business before my best shift and I didn't do anything with it and that was my first business. But that's not true. My very first business was babysitting and I had a certificate. Then I was like I can do CPR on this. I'm ready, let me go get this printer Because I need people to know that I can charge them higher, babysit their kids.

Chantée Christian:

But when I think about it, and over the years, everything that I've done has had a sense of service in it. Right, it has had this sense of independence in it and wanting to help people, and in the process I didn't realize that right In my mind. I'm just moving along and doing the thing and it took some life changes to occur for me to sit down and like literally walk through, like okay, why am I here? Why was I put here? Because there has to be something other than mentoring. It has to be something other than opening up Excel spreadsheets and managing projects, because this is not.

Chantée Christian:

It Like something else got to happen. But I think it's just such a powerful point I think it was Mark Twain that said there are two really powerful pivotal moments in someone's life when they're born is when they find out what their purpose in life is, and I always add the third one is when they have the courage to actually walk in that purpose. I literally tilt my hat off to you, because you said it twice that you bet on yourself. What did that look like?

Dionne Galloway:

Yeah, it was a long journey. I want to be really clear. Like very early in my career, I used to tell myself no all the time. I was very much a person who would no, dionne, you can't go after that opportunity. No, you shouldn't apply for that job. No, don't raise your hand. You know, like your voice isn't needed in this moment.

Dionne Galloway:

And so it was a very long and sometimes very hard journey of getting to a space of realizing that I have power, like there is power within me, there's power around me, there are people who want to see me succeed, and the first step to tapping into that, to that power, to accessing the help and support of others, really relied on me first stopping the, the no's, stopping the you can't, you won't. What if all of that? And quieting that noise, and really one once that's quiet, really thinking about and really just kind of getting clear on what I've been able to do, kind of like reassess and reevaluate. And look at your track record too. It's like you've done a lot, you're capable of a lot, and I believe that you can even do more, and so the only thing that's standing in your way in this moment is you DM. So stop telling yourself, no, and just put yourself out there and really having that conversation around like what's the worst that could happen, you know, playing out that worst case scenario and doing it anyway. And I think that when I started doing that, when I started listening to my champions who were saying you could do this, when I started listening to that other voice in my head that was also saying you are capable, that is when I started to move and shift into this space of I'm willing and able to bet on myself. Now I'm willing to put myself out there to try it, to do it.

Dionne Galloway:

That was difficult for me, you know, for a lot of reasons. I still, to this day, have not impact all of the whys behind it, but it was a journey and I'm just thankful that I've arrived at this moment. It's not all perfect and I'm just thankful that I've arrived at this moment. It's not all perfect and I know that I don't have to be, but I do respect myself even and celebrate myself for all that I've been able to do and accomplish and how I move the needle on feeling more secure in who I am and what I can bring to the table and what I can offer the world, and that has been so liberating and so fulfilling in so many world, and that has been so liberating and so fulfilling in so many ways. It's so good.

Chantée Christian:

That's so good. You're right, you don't have to be perfect. You got to move, though. You got to do, because that's when and where the magic is, and that self-critic and that self-talk that we have I say we because everyone has it right what we do with it is sometimes a lot the same, and so being able to be in a space to say, well, let me prove you wrong, like, just hold on a second, because I know you're here to protect me for something.

Chantée Christian:

Something happened that this is a trigger for Cool, cool, cool, but right here, right now, let me see what I can do, that's one of the things that I love about the polarities, because, as a lot of my clients know, I love the word, and it's rare that I say but unless I really mean it, because all things can be true at the same time.

Chantée Christian:

And when we start saying, but we negate everything that we have said or acknowledged before that when they, too, still hold weight in our lives. And so when I met you at a conference and I was like this is amazing, what you all do is amazing I was like more people need to hear about this, because, outside of just leadership right, because when I think about leadership. I think about it being one how we lead ourselves and and then two how we can influence and lead others. And it doesn't matter the titles that we hold right. It literally is how we show up every day and how we continually, to your point, do the work when we have solved it all. We are on our deathbed and we still haven't solved it all, right, and we still had a salt at all right. But we live in a space where it's so important to be able to acknowledge it and to understand where it's coming from and then to work with it, not against it, absolutely.

Dionne Galloway:

So tell us a little bit more about the polarities that you work with in your role. Yeah, one of the things that I always say is like, we know, and we fully acknowledge that in life there are absolute problems there are, there are problems at every level of system that require us to solve, require us to dig in and operate from that space of either, or. I think oftentimes we apply that thinking, though, to everything and to your point. It's like that is so limiting, and so what I always say is, while everything is not a polarity, polarities are everywhere, and the more that we build our capacity and capabilities around seeing them and working them and making sense of them, not only is it freeing for ourselves, but it's so powerful when you think about the ways in which we work and we live and we lead, and I just feel so honored to be in this space to be able to do this work, because, unlike in a lot of ways, just when you think about, like, traditional leadership development, you have someone come in and it's like we need to do a module on feedback or implicit bias or on change management. You know there's a specific topic. You come in, you do a bunch of work. It's like everybody should be doing this. This is a problem to be solved. Let's go in and fix it and kind of run down the list of things to do. You leave that session. You may have picked up a couple of tidbits, but at the end of the day it doesn't actually get traction, it doesn't make movement.

Dionne Galloway:

And what I love about the polarity lens and both and thinking is that it helps to unlock why we're getting stuck with a lot of those common challenges.

Dionne Galloway:

It helps us to dig underneath it, to really understand what's the root cause that's driving us to operate in this space of tension, to operate in this space of my way or your way, to operate in this polarized space that gets us stuck and doesn't allow us to move forward.

Dionne Galloway:

And so I just love operating in this space, helping people to see polarities and also then understand how to make sense of it and the light bulbs that just go off. I can't tell you, shante, how many times people come to me at the end of a session and say now I know why my old coworker and I just did not get along. She really valued stability and I really value change, and we constantly were talking at each other instead of with each other, not recognizing that there's so many benefits to stability and there's so many benefits to change. And how can we make space for both, to honor what both of us want in this situation and avoid any of those like overuses or those unintended consequences that can come when we just over focus on one and so it just can be really powerful to kind of play in that space. That's so good, that's so so good.

Chantée Christian:

I recently wrote an article around leadership DNA. Well, more so walking the talk, right? So just transformative leadership. I do a workshop on it too, and so one of the things that you said that really, really resonated with me is, when people value something different than us and we don't realize it, we start to hold them to these unarticulated and agreed upon expectations of how they ought to be, based off of our lens, not realizing. One, they didn't agree to it. Two, they don't even know that that's what we're thinking, because that's not their value, right, that's not their thing of importance in a moment. And so it's so important to take a step back, because a lot of times when we're in these spaces of resistance or disagreement, we're usually not in disagreement about the same thing, and people don't realize that because they think that, oh well, we're in a conversation about this thing, or then it has to be that you just don't understand my reasoning when that's not the case, right? I see you just shaking your head.

Dionne Galloway:

And then we just talk louder. It's like, let me reiterate my point, let me share my value again. If I say it louder, if I say it more, if I say it in a way that is intimidating, even you'll hear me then one right or best solution here this is something that's unsolvable, that we have to pay attention to, that's going to take work over time, and that there's value in both perspectives. And it's like, how do we get people to see that? And I love what you just shared, because it also kind of connects to how, in addition to sort of it, sits with our values.

Dionne Galloway:

A lot of the aspects of these polarities attach to our identity. Yeah, about, for example, like flexibility and structure. I really value flexibility and if somebody says, deon, describe yourself. I'm like, oh, I'm a creative, I'm adaptable, I'm all of those things. Like it's part of my identity.

Dionne Galloway:

Now, and I hear, or sometimes I'm up against someone who has a really strong preference for structure, I can begin to see a threat to that especially. They're asking me to change. It was almost like a threat, like wait a minute, you want me to be rigid, you want things to be confining. I can't be creative.

Dionne Galloway:

Like then I start shutting down and if we're not talking with each other around the benefits of both, because there's absolutely my logical mind knows there's plenty of benefits to structure, you know you can maintain some control, you can, you know, keep efficiencies there, like there's definitely benefits. But if we're talking at each other I might not be able to see that. All I hear is a threat to who I am and I'm going to shut and again possibly talk louder or retreat and it's not bringing us together. And we see that a lot of course at every level of system that we live and work and lead in. And I think that is something that is powerful with this work. That kind of helps to shift that, to help individuals realize that we're not asking you to give up what you value and who you see yourself as. We're asking you to expand and make space for something else, something more.

Chantée Christian:

No, and I love that, because in a lot of the leadership coaching or executive coaching that I do, I like to just say it's people coaching. I coach people with whatever they come with. That's what we're talking about. But one of the biggest common themes that I have seen is that people don't know who they are. So when you say that, I'm like sometimes they don't even realize that that is how they're identifying, because they identify themselves as a spouse, a partner, a parent, a title.

Chantée Christian:

So I have this thing where I say it's a who are you exercise, and it doesn't matter who the client is. We get to some version of this at some point in our time together, because I'm like, hmm, I heard something, I heard something and I'm curious. But I tell them to take those four off the table and then tell me who they are. And they look at me like I have five heads and they're like well, what do you need? Like give me an example? Well, you want me to give you an example of who you are, and so how do you all help people really identify what that thing is that they are attaching themselves to?

Dionne Galloway:

I'd say the first thing is just around awareness. The word like polarization and things like that is nothing new, but I don't think it's something that we often pull in front of us and think like, how does this then apply to me? So they, the first piece, is around, like the awareness of polarities at play, and usually we often just generate list of like at the conference we had here are some of the polarities that show up in our humanity, or here are some of the polarities that show up, you know, in leadership. And as people usually scan those lists, they're like hmm, already a light bulb starts to go off. It's a light bulb moment Getting people to play with different polarities. Like we utilize a tool called the Polarity Navigator, which essentially is a sense-making tool that allows people to kind of pull apart a polarity, really understand it better, understand their relationship to it and then ultimately find a way to kind of integrate it so that they're kind of picking up a new mindset, a new way of being that drives different actions and different results. And so like, especially with teams, when we're coming in and they're saying you know, we're having a lot of tension. I'll give you an example Like I had a team.

Dionne Galloway:

There was a creative department and a marketing department and one is like if they would only give us some deadlines, if we could just map out the year, if they would just create a process, things would run a lot smoother. We had the other team on the other side is like if they could just be more agile we're dealing with some external things If they could be more agile, if they could run a little bit faster, if we could just sort of iterate, things would be so much better. And as you're having those conversations, you can kind of surface like, hmm, this feels like the energy of a polarity as opposed to a problem, and then you just kind of pull it out and say, well, let's explore this. What are some of the benefits, the healthy benefits that come from a healthy focus on this one pole. Okay, well, what are some of the good things, the healthy things that come from a healthy focus on this other pole? And like getting them exploring, and you'd find through that process people start to realize, oh, I have an attachment towards this particular pole. And I would say the last thing, that we've done a lot in the last couple of years.

Dionne Galloway:

Andiron has launched a tool called the Key Polarity Indicator. It's an assessment and that is also a tool that we use in systems to really help leaders and individuals see. And so right now there's both the leadership key polarity indicator assessment as well as the human key polarity indicator assessment, and it gives you data for six key polarities that show up in leadership, as well as six key polarities that show up in our humanity, and it's like, based off of these behavioral statements, you can do it as a 360 or even a self-assessment, if you're just curious to really understand. What are some of the polarities that are up for me, and these are, through our research, ones that we commonly see so like, for example, in leadership, you see things like action and reflection, exude competence, exude warmth, challenge, support, direct and empower Things that you often see in leadership that come up In our humanity.

Dionne Galloway:

There's things like responsibility, forgiveness, hope, reality, desire more, appreciate what is, and you go through this to understand like, where might I be over indexing, where might I have a preference, and then it gives you an opportunity to explore what's underneath that, what's that all about, and even give you clues into. Is this a true preference that I hold or is this a preference that is evolved, based off of the system that I'm in. Well, that's good.

Chantée Christian:

I think about how many times when we think about leadership, how people adapt their leadership style to the environments that they're in versus their innate leadership instinct, and until they have an opportunity to like peel back that onion layer or just really be able to explore it, they're like no, this is how I lead, I just. It makes my head hurt when I think about all the things I wish that they taught during an MBA program, because no shade to any MBA programs, including my own. Leadership is amazing, however, the ability to actually help people identify what they are naturally in state to do, versus how they can cater that and tailor it to be more effective overall. One is paying attention, right, like actually say, ok, I'm noticing something here. What's happening? Right, really moving from a space of curiosity versus defensiveness, because I have to be right, I know all the answers. Who are you, who are these people? And they're everywhere self-included. Right, there was a moment where that was me too and, depending on the project, sometimes I still am a work of progress too.

Chantée Christian:

It's so important, I think, for one of the things that you said that I just want to make sure that we don't miss. That is we're all doing this work and it is a space where awareness literally does shift our perspective, if we allow it and when given the opportunity to explore it. I like to think of awareness like a little searchlight Once it just has a little bit of light on you, it won't let you go, and so you're going to have to confront and deal with the thing at some point. Groundbreaking and important, because, like you said, there's so many times where you go to workshops or you go to a presentation and you walk away like, oh, I got a new sentence, I got a new little buzzword, and that's it. Versus walking away and actually feeling empowered to do something different and to explore and to practice, I think is really important. Yeah, I like that a lot.

Dionne Galloway:

Yeah, we'd like to say we're in the work of transformation and a lot of people you know approach this idea of transformation in different ways. But really for us it's about understanding the patterns that we operate in. So we've been rewarded for certain behavior. We've become successful because of our upbringing and our background. We experience certain behavior and in any ways it's like these things just kind of stick to us.

Chantée Christian:

Mm, hmm.

Dionne Galloway:

And we start moving through life, and so the first thing is to really understand what is stuck to me.

Chantée Christian:

Mm, hmm.

Dionne Galloway:

And is it in service of who I am today or who I want to be tomorrow, even? And really having that tough conversation around that, but also then really understanding all these things that are stuck to me, like, what are the patterns that they have me in? And is this a hindering pattern? Again, is this something that is getting in my way? And so, like, with that spotlight you just mentioned, it's like how do I shine a light on it, something that I might have been overlooking all this time, because it's a narrative playing in the background of who I am, you know who I should be, what success looks like.

Dionne Galloway:

Again, you know, and I think about a lot of leaders when you start talking to them they have a big preference for exude, competence, they have preferences for action, and that's because that's what's modeled for us. We've really competent, show up, strong, challenge others, act, move things along and we attach all of those things to us and they lead us down a path where we're demonstrating a pattern and then you have that same leader is like I'm getting feedback that my team doesn't like me, everybody's not engaged, People are burned out and you aren't able to help them. See, until you really get to these are the things that are stuck to us. This is where they've come from and this is the pattern that it's striving. If we want a different one, we have to explore and really be open to the fact that there's another perspective here.

Dionne Galloway:

In addition to competence, as a leader, you need to exude warmth. In addition to acting and moving the work forward, you have to make space for reflection and learning. You know, in addition to challenging, you know and raising the bar, we also have to provide support for our people within our organization so that they can also thrive. And when you do that and you do it in a way that doesn't leave people feeling like I have to take off these things, I'm just adding. I'm not taking off a competence, I am just adding warmth, because now I see value in it and I understand it as a perspective that is equally valuable and needed.

Chantée Christian:

No, that's good. And when you talked about the transformation, it made me think about when you said, around the time your daughter was born, you were, like I need to be doing work that I feel like is fulfilling, and so, as you have gone through portions of your transformation, what is it that you would say to that version of you now?

Dionne Galloway:

So many things where you say where do you start? Where do you start with the advice, the advice to self? I'm like you know, if that Dion had the playbook man watch out, she would be something else right now. But in all seriousness, I think I would really just allow myself to pause. We're so used to movement, we're so used to this idea of where we should be, what we should be doing, so forth, and I think, without knowing it, I was doing that in this moment.

Dionne Galloway:

But pausing to really just assess, to really check in with myself around, is this important to me? At the time it felt like an external driver, because I literally Shonda. I said if I'm going to take this six month old baby to daycare every day, you know, and leave her in the care of others for hours at a time, it's got to be worth. It's got to be more than, or for more than, this paycheck. I have to feel like I'm in service of something, I'm doing something, and so I think just having that opportunity to pause, having that opportunity to reflect and hopefully tap into that voice of power that is also air but sometimes is diminished, that's what I would tell myself. It's just to lean into that pause and to tap into that voice of power. Allow myself to take up more space to step into my voice and to step into what's next and to not play that. What if game? Just allow it to be, because beautiful things emerge once. I started to do that.

Chantée Christian:

As you were saying that, I was like what would I tell myself as I was going through that phase and I think, similar to you, I would say trust, just trust the process instead of fighting it, because it's going to happen. How long it takes you to get there is going to slowly be up to you, because, similar to you, I was a comm major and PR specifically, but I didn't do anything specific with it until five years ago, and so I didn't know what I could do. Then, though, like I would have told myself to be a little more risky, and it always works out Like it always works out how I planned it. Maybe not, and yet, and still it always works out. So one last question before we wrap up what do you want to tell your daughter, as she is exploring life and watching you be the boss that you are? What do you want to tell her and little girls like her?

Dionne Galloway:

I feel like all of the hard-hitting questions you're asking me. I'm like man, this is a big one. Honestly. I think about it often, like the nuggets that I want to leave for her, and it all centers and comes back to sort of just her leaning into who she wants to be and not feeling like she has to model herself or shrink herself or anything based off of all of these preconceived notions of what a woman and a Black woman at that is supposed to be in the world, right, and so what I always just share with her is to be proud of herself and, at the end of the day, is she proud of what she's done? Maybe what she decided not to do?

Dionne Galloway:

Whatever it is, it's just be proud of yourself, and I think that that's one of those things that, as she's growing and sort of leaning into trusting the process and moving forward, if she can look back for those moments, because I feel like that was something that I needed when I kept telling myself, no, it was when I could stop and look back and say, but I was proud of myself when I did that. I was proud of myself when I didn't do that. So it's like that moment of like you have good judgment yeah, you can do this and building that sort of self-reliance, in a way, knowing that she has a community, knowing that a community is powerful, but really at its core and at its center, just trusting and believing in herself and being proud of whatever she brings to the table, regardless of what anyone else says she should or shouldn't be doing.

Chantée Christian:

Yeah, that's good, and it's a perfect segue into me asking you our last question, and it's a perfect segue into me asking you our last question. So we talked about a few things. What would you like to leave the people with?

Dionne Galloway:

I would say that what this is all about, this conversation, everything is all about awareness. I want to leave people with an invitation to tap into and explore themselves, to take this moment, even once they turn off this episode and put down their pen from all the notes that they've hopefully been taking, and just pause and tap into themselves.

Chantée Christian:

Appreciating again what is and giving space to desire more. That's good.

Dionne Galloway:

Where can they find you? I am online LinkedIn. You know all of the things. People can find me and connect Also through my organization, andiron. It's just andironcom, and many times people are like what is an andiron? And so those who are curious it's those metal bars that sit in a fireplace that hold up the logs and allow sort of the oxygen and air to circulate, for the fire to breathe and burn brighter, and that is what we try to do is create the space for teams, organizations and leaders to burn brighter. So if you ever want to contact me there, please feel free to do that, but I'm always welcome to folks reaching out on LinkedIn as well.

Chantée Christian:

I love that, and we'll have your information inside of the podcast notes, so no worries if you didn't catch that, and I believe I think I could be wrong. I'm pretty sure, though, by the time this episode airs, we would have either already had or be just going into the Conscious Leadership Summit, and so you will also be doing a presentation there about the polarities, so it's also an opportunity for people to experience you in live action, which I'm super excited about, and I'm just truly, truly thankful that you just said yes to coming on the podcast and talking with me, and I learned so much. I'm like I gotta go out and do something, go get some coffee or something, because I didn't know you were down the street, but I really do appreciate you and thank you for showing up.

Dionne Galloway:

Absolutely. I appreciate the invitation and, like I said, I stopped telling myself no.

Chantée Christian:

So I got the opportunity to join, I said absolutely yes, this is for me and I'm glad I'm here. Listen, you might hear that sound bite. Absolutely yes. Oh, my goodness, I'm so thankful. I enjoy talking with Dionne about the power of self-awareness and embracing both and thinking. Her insights on betting on yourself, navigating career transitions and unlocking leadership potential were truly insightful. Thank you for joining us and remember to stop doing shit that doesn't serve you. For more information or if you'd like to reach out to us, visit at mybestsh shift underscore LLC on Instagram. See you later.